Does Jesus' unqualified claim to be 'the first and the last' prove he is God by Islamic standards?
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The case is decided
It wasChristian debater (the 'I' of the title).
B won by extracting the decisive concession from A—that unqualified 'first and last' can only apply to Allah [519s]—and then getting A to admit Jesus used it without qualification [894s]. B then drew the conclusion that Jesus claimed deity by A's own standard [925s]. B also exposed A's inconsistent language-separation defense by showing that 'begotten' is rejected in any language [1264s] and that A admitted 'son' can work cross-linguistically as endearment [1452s]. A was evasive, refused direct answers, resorted to personal insults, and contradicted his earlier concession with the 'wife' example [957s].
Why Christian debater (the 'I' of the title) won
- A concedes that unqualified 'first and last' can only be used for Allah [519s]
- A admits Jesus does not qualify 'first and last' in Revelation 22:13 [894s]
- B states the conclusion: by A's own admission, Jesus claims to be God [925s]
- B exposes inconsistency: A rejects 'begotten' even though languages differ [1264s]
- B undermines A's language barrier by getting A to admit 'son' as endearment can work in Arabic [1452s]
Where Sheikh Uthman scored
- A correctly clarified that not all names of Allah are exclusive, using 'al-Wadud' as an example [92s]
- A made a legitimate point that 'son of God' in the Bible can be a term of endearment, not literal physical sonship [1389s]
- A argued that the Bible was written in Greek, not Arabic, so Quranic Arabic terms cannot directly define biblical concepts [1576s]
Closest callWhether A's example of telling his wife 'you are the first and the last' [957s] was a genuine contradiction of his earlier unqualified concession [519s] or merely an idiom that doesn't carry the Quranic divine weight—and whether B fully resolved that tension before moving on.
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